First Quarter Fans Review.

[craxkull]

So di first quarter of di year done and with the passing of time comes reflection. ...

**Can we safely say di SOUNDSYSTEM TING ah stand trong and firm in comparison to recent years?...
**Can the momentum and apparent stability gained in the past 2 quarters be maintained?, and if so how?.
**Change and progression seem to be di focus at the moment. Which of the "new" sounds/selectors/mc's stand out at as di realest deals at the moment?. Fi mi, BO and KING Sound have managed the best transitions in terms of established sounds; and they also, IMO have di most talented, settled and experienced "new" additions to di business.
**Sounds like Kosmik, Innocent, Y.Hawk, poison dart etc have a gr8 opportunity to take a seat amongst di greats, but how di I dem think dem can achieve this feat?.
**Are the dark days of excessive rules, circus/microwave dances, 5 min rounds, lets all play the same artists pon di same riddim ah sing di same chune, nutten wrong if me playback di chune, ah mi ah di judge and mi sey ah dem man dey win, drifting further behind or preparing a comeback under di banner of "World Clash"?

Other tings fi reflect pon would be
**The fall of Europe- less than a year ago some man did swear say di europeans were "Di greatest ever bar none". ..some even go so far as fi say spyda was tougher than or as tough as di serial killer, mentally ill and di ugly boy; however, of late....
**Established sounds who nar mek such a good transition . Ie. Black Puss, Di Guard...?
**LP letting a potentially once in an era, undisputed, pon par with their 1996 KILLING slip in preference of a 1994'esque *victory claim...
**Where do Former Greats like Saxon, Coxsone, Emperor, Mighty Crown stand?..are they edging ever closer to di bracket of "Once great but now totally irrelevant to modern/current affairs"?...
**Are Tek9 and Blunt edging closer to di bracket of the katarocks, Turbophonics and little rocks of sounds?
**Does winning a "World Clash Title" matter at all anymore?...
** Will a World Clash Title ever regain the prestige and matter as much as a title in 93,94,98 0r 99?... Can/will it challenge Global Cup as a better "World Dance"?
**Which sound ah England can truly challenge/de-throne Luv Injection ?.
** Matterhorns "Top 6 Giants"-inclusive of Sammy T, But excludes Face, Johnny, Freddie, etc.....
**Whats di deal wid di canadian and caribbean scene-both jugglin and clash?

Just ah try build some meaningful dicussion amongst InI...Add comments, topics, etc as di I dem see fit. Bless.

[Selecta_G]

Man seh LP Victory Not clearand GC more valued than WC

Selecta G

[craxkull]

Mr.G, ah nuh me...ah di NY STREETS..and di GC ting was a question...how much time mi fi tell yu say reading is fundamental??. Yu no see nutten bout king saxon fi address too

[Gunner]

**Sounds like Kosmik, Innocent, Y.Hawk, poison dart etc have a gr8 opportunity to take a seat amongst di greats, but how di I dem think dem can achieve this feat?.

by warring them and by putting in a memorable effort. they aint gotta win, but they gotta take at least one of the "top" sounds to the wire and fight to the death. similar to what innocent did vs black kat at clash of the titans.

[Dadli Man]

1. Caribbean scene (Antigua in particular) is probably the most consistent in recent years than any other area....since 2012 start we done see one big clash (king of the 90's) and two more slated before the year half.

2. World Clash still has appeal, large appeal to many, but the title na really mean much anymore....it hasn't for the last 8 or so years...but can it regain significance...hell yeah...how....start choosing ranked sounds and not just big names simple

3. some of the elements of the dark ages needs to go....but the multi sound thing (4 the max my brain can handle) is a gift to the newer blood in the industry, and for the not to serious clash fans who a look value for their money...so that can stay

4. how can you mention Mighty Crown in the same sentence with sounds like Saxon and Coxsone....that na seem right

5. Not too sure bout that LP reference....Addise played the best it has since coming back to the arena...they led in the earlier yes....but LP won point blank

6. Yes...since bout 2009 clashing has steadily been trying to catch its footing....and today its stronger than it has been since the golden era....but not at golden era level yet

[craxkull]

1. Caribbean scene (Antigua in particular) is probably the most consistent in recent years than any other area....since 2012 start and we done see one big clash (king of the 90's) and two more slated before the year half.

2. World Clash still has appeal, large appeal to many, but the title na really mean much anymore....it hasn't for the last 8 or so years...but can it regain significance...hell yeah...how....start choosing ranked sounds and not just big names simple

3. some of the elements of the dark ages needs to go....but the multi sound thing (4 the max my brain can handle) is a gift to the newer blood in the industry, and for the not to serious clash fans who a look value for their money...so that can stay

4. how can you mention Mighty Crown in the same sentence with sounds like Saxon and Coxsone....that na seem right

some good points Dadli I. re: Mighty Crown-Not in terms of all time status amongst sounds, but in terms of being a "once upon a time". In the 2000's they were a major force as the others were major figures in the 80's and parts of the 90's. But then came the lull and we see that all now Coxsone and Saxon cyaan ketch dem self proppa after such a slumber....is crown headed for the same fate or that of a Katarock?. are they already an "irrelevant" sound?.

[craxkull]

What ah gwaaan ah Dadli b4 half year? -- feel like mi want fwd fi some open air, legal vibes

[Dadli Man]

some good points Dadli I. re: Mighty Crown-Not in terms of all time status amongst sounds, but in terms of being a "once upon a time". In the 2000's they were a major force as the others were major figures in the 80's and parts of the 90's. But then came the lull and we see that all now Coxsone and Saxon cyaan ketch dem self proppa after such a slumber....is crown headed for the same fate or that of a Katarock?. are they already an "irrelevant" sound?.

Now I see the argument clearer....and truth is....only time will tell....are they heading down the road now? yeap....they went on hiatus after a big loss for reasons we all can understand....but history will only remember the big loss....so if they don't try to reenter the arena and try to come somewhat back to what they were....then bout in two or so more years...they will fall dead in that class

[Dadli Man]

What ah gwaaan ah Dadli b4 half year? -- feel like mi want fwd fi some open air, legal vibes

Ring the Alarm
Stonewall (ANU) vs. Justice Sound (US) vs. 3 Sevens (ANU) vs. No Envy (ANU) - May

World War Antigua
Wardadli (ANU) vs. Tek 9 (USA/Trinidad) vs. Shasamane (Africa) vs. Conqueror (ANU/JA) - April month end

[craxkull]

1. Caribbean scene (Antigua in particular) is probably the most consistent in recent years than any other area....since 2012 start we done see one big clash (king of the 90's) and two more slated before the year half.

2. World Clash still has appeal, large appeal to many, but the title na really mean much anymore....it hasn't for the last 8 or so years...but can it regain significance...hell yeah...how....start choosing ranked sounds and not just big names simple

3. some of the elements of the dark ages needs to go....but the multi sound thing (4 the max my brain can handle) is a gift to the newer blood in the industry, and for the not to serious clash fans who a look value for their money...so that can stay

4. how can you mention Mighty Crown in the same sentence with sounds like Saxon and Coxsone....that na seem right

5. Not too sure bout that LP reference....Addise played the best it has since coming back to the arena...they led in the earlier yes....but LP won point blank

6. Yes...since bout 2009 clashing has steadily been trying to catch its footing....and today its stronger than it has been since the golden era....but not at golden era level yet

But did they not miss an opportunity to "get back" di 96 kill?. Despite str8 flopping fi several rounds and playing back several tune yu find yuself in a position fi possibly lock off Addies. Dont yu go fi di kill instead ah left di door open to opinion, perspective and discussion?. When yu seal ah kill like in 96 e done. This result have a '94ish feel to it, dem win yes, but..... At the moment Addies is on a serious high. The new yutes manage fi escape wid dem rep, real sound war credentials and finally manage fi seal off di matterhorn/face era. Their fans are won over and confident in them. If they now forward and mash down Klepto and Young Hawk, the warzone result pales. LP on di other hand?...LP walk out

[Selecta_G]

Mr.G, ah nuh me...ah di NY STREETS..and di GC ting was a question...how much time mi fi tell yu say reading is fundamental??. Yu no see nutten bout king saxon fi address too

Well WC get 3000 and GC get 2000? that should say what NEW YORK street thinks about the TWO events YOu talk about FORMER GREATS and included one era SOUnds with two era sounds and expect me fi reply pon the Saxon question......... GC not even in this year so how that part of the Review only you and New york street will know hope its not becasue a certain sound have that title while a UK rep have the OTHER

Selecta G

[Selecta_G]

But did they not miss an opportunity to "get back" di 96 kill?. Despite str8 flopping fi several rounds and playing back several tune yu find yuself in a position fi possibly lock off Addies. Dont yu go fi di kill instead ah left di door open to opinion, perspective and discussion?. When yu seal ah kill like in 96 e done. This result have a '94ish feel to it, dem win yes, but..... At the moment Addies is on a serious high. The new yutes manage fi escape wid dem rep, real sound war credentials and finally manage fi seal off di matterhorn/face era. Their fans are won over and confident in them. If they now forward and mash down Klepto and Young Hawk, the warzone result pales. LP on di other hand?...LP won

Lawd I thought i had FAITH but you top me in every department ....LOYAL to the CORE

Selecta G

[craxkull]

Yow ejecta, yu cyaan read? Di NY streets talk was in reference to ur warzone snipe. After GC there was a real buzz..Kosmik start get mention, Addies leggo a post babyface era. Most fans included it in their best clashes fi di year. WC have any such buzz? WC title inna 2012 mean what it did mean inna 93, 94, 98 or 99?.. ur main point of defence and reference fi saxon dub plate era ah WC 94!!! IF yu did read, di second line ah mi post ask if di momentum gained over di last TWO(2) Quarters can be maintained and how... Dec ah inna di last 2 qtr...But as usual, anything fi avoid "certain" other question and go off topic wid yu dis era and dat era bull shit....

[TriniJoeInDC]

Yow ejecta, yu cyaan read? Di NY streets talk was in reference to ur warzone snipe. After GC there was a real buzz..Kosmik start get mention, Addies leggo a post babyface era. Most fans included it in their best clashes fi di year. WC have any such buzz? WC title inna 2012 mean what it did mean inna 93, 94, 98 or 99?.. ur main point of defence and reference fi saxon dub plate era ah WC 94!!! IF yu did read, di second line ah mi post ask if di momentum gained over di last TWO(2) Quarters can be maintained and how... Dec ah inna di last 2 qtr...But as usual, anything fi avoid "certain" other question and go off topic wid yu dis era and dat era bull shit....

yuh cant diss di greatest clash ting in the northern hemisphere dawg.

[craxkull]

Lawd I thought i had FAITH but you top me in every department ....LOYAL to the CORE

Selecta G

YU BETTA KNOW!!

[craxkull]

yuh cant diss di greatest clash ting in the northern hemisphere dawg.

Greatest ting e mudda sKUnt!...

[Selecta_G]

Yow ejecta, yu cyaan read? Di NY streets talk was in reference to ur warzone snipe. After GC there was a real buzz..Kosmik start get mention, Addies leggo a post babyface era. Most fans included it in their best clashes fi di year. WC have any such buzz? WC title inna 2012 mean what it did mean inna 93, 94, 98 or 99?.. ur main point of defence and reference fi saxon dub plate era ah WC 94!!! IF yu did read, di second line ah mi post ask if di momentum gained over di last TWO(2) Quarters can be maintained and how... Dec ah inna di last 2 qtr...But as usual, anything fi avoid "certain" other question and go off topic wid yu dis era and dat era bull shit....

YOur thread TITLE says FIRST quarter REVIEW then you relise Your sound did not have a good first quarter so added the second just fi include GC who you think you fooling with the POLITICAL SPEECH about second QUARTER.

Selecta G

[craxkull]

So di first quarter of di year done and with the passing of time comes reflection. ...

**Can we safely say di SOUNDSYSTEM TING ah stand trong and firm in comparison to recent years?...
**Can the momentum and apparent stability gained in the past 2 quarters be maintained?, and if so how?.
**Change and progression seem to be di focus at the moment. Which of the "new" sounds/selectors/mc's stand out at as di realest deals at the moment?. Fi mi, BO and KING Sound have managed the best transitions in terms of established sounds; and they also, IMO have di most talented, settled and experienced "new" additions to di business.
**Sounds like Kosmik, Innocent, Y.Hawk, poison dart etc have a gr8 opportunity to take a seat amongst di greats, but how di I dem think dem can achieve this feat?.
**Are the dark days of excessive rules, circus/microwave dances, 5 min rounds, lets all play the same artists pon di same riddim ah sing di same chune, nutten wrong if me playback di chune, ah mi ah di judge and mi sey ah dem man dey win, drifting further behind or preparing a comeback under di banner of "World Clash"?

Other tings fi reflect pon would be
**The fall of Europe- less than a year ago some man did swear say di europeans were "Di greatest ever bar none". ..some even go so far as fi say spyda was tougher than or as tough as di serial killer, mentally ill and di ugly boy; however, of late....
**Established sounds who nar mek such a good transition . Ie. Black Puss, Di Guard...?
**LP letting a potentially once in an era, undisputed, pon par with their 1996 KILLING slip in preference of a 1994'esque *victory claim...
**Where do Former Greats like Saxon, Coxsone, Emperor, Mighty Crown stand?..are they edging ever closer to di bracket of "Once great but now totally irrelevant to modern/current affairs"?...
**Are Tek9 and Blunt edging closer to di bracket of the katarocks, Turbophonics and little rocks of sounds?
**Does winning a "World Clash Title" matter at all anymore?...
** Will a World Clash Title ever regain the prestige and matter as much as a title in 93,94,98 0r 99?... Can/will it challenge Global Cup as a better "World Dance"?
**Which sound ah England can truly challenge/de-throne Luv Injection ?.
** Matterhorns "Top 6 Giants"-inclusive of Sammy T, But excludes Face, Johnny, Freddie, etc.....
**Whats di deal wid di canadian and caribbean scene-both jugglin and clash?

Just ah try build some meaningful dicussion amongst InI...Add comments, topics, etc as di I dem see fit. Bless.

Bredda, yu demented ....Coo pon di mount ah reference mi mek to dis Sound ting as a whole, di mount a sound and different region mi mention?..and all poor ejecta can ah try leech pon ah di KING?....what bout di Injection question or di fall ah europe eee nuh Missa.Geee?

[fatherDIXON]

NICE THREAD, SKULL......

NUFF QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED !!

MOST OF US HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT

AT LEAST ONE OF THESE VARIABLES.

G ah try derail di ting.

[craxkull]

Yu see'it FADDA.... Also, with Lion KING supposedly re-constituted and di biz ah buzz...can dat crack, maybe even buss?...Di "new" Black Puss team first impression... possibly lasting?

[Dadli Man]

But did they not miss an opportunity to "get back" di 96 kill?. Despite str8 flopping fi several rounds and playing back several tune yu find yuself in a position fi possibly lock off Addies. Dont yu go fi di kill instead ah left di door open to opinion, perspective and discussion?. When yu seal ah kill like in 96 e done. This result have a '94ish feel to it, dem win yes, but..... At the moment Addies is on a serious high. The new yutes manage fi escape wid dem rep, real sound war credentials and finally manage fi seal off di matterhorn/face era. Their fans are won over and confident in them. If they now forward and mash down Klepto and Young Hawk, the warzone result pales. LP on di other hand?...LP walk out

Everyone entitled to their opinion so me nar go fight it.....and thru the eyes of New Yorkers/Brooklynites yes I can see why the win was not a concrete one in their opinion....I mean to have their beloved sound finally getting things together and seemingly starting to roll will overshadow many things....so I get that....but this pales in comparison to the 94 situation....yes LP played back tunes and lost the first two rounds....but at the end of the night its not who avoided more errors....its who played better overall...and crowd saw it that LP did in the latter rounds.....and as far as kill....its a technical area with this clash....cause to me a simple win means most rounds won (including tune fi tune or not).......a kill is all rounds won (including tune fi tune or not)......a lock off is when the massive just don't want to hear nothing else from you period!....to me a lock off and a kill is on the same level....and with that I have to say that LP locked off Addies which is the same as a kill in my book....so regardless of the result of the other clash bredrin....LP Killed Addies and it will remain that way until the rematch!

[Selecta_G]

Bredda, yu demented ....Coo pon di mount ah reference mi mek to dis Sound ting as a whole, di mount a sound and different region mi mention?..and all poor ejecta can ah try leech pon ah di KING?....what bout di Injection question or di fall ah europe eee nuh Missa.Geee?

This is why me laugh. YOU talk about MEANINGFUL discussion and then ask who can challenge/dethrone Injection (when did they win the CROWN)........when you dont recognise LP as the NEW MONARCH of NEW YORK

Selecta G

[craxkull]

Everyone entitled to their opinion so me nar go fight it.....and thru the eyes of New Yorkers/Brooklynites yes I can see why the win was not a concrete one in their opinion....I mean to have their beloved sound finally getting things together and seemingly starting to roll will overshadow many things....so I get that....but this pales in comparison to the 94 situation....yes LP played back tunes and lost the first two rounds....but at the end of the night its not who avoided more errors....its who played better overall...and crowd saw it that LP did in the latter rounds.....and as far as kill....its a technical area with this clash....cause to me a simple win means most rounds won (including tune fi tune or not).......a kill is all rounds won (including tune fi tune or not)......a lock off is when the massive just don't want to hear nothing else from you period!....to me a lock off and a kill is on the same level....and with that I have to say that LP locked off Addies which is the same as a kill in my book....so regardless of the result of the other clash bredrin....LP Killed Addies and it will remain that way until the rematch!

Well King man, yu know say mi cyaan agree with yu in saying dat was a str8 kill or lock off ... LP walked out. But mi respect yu opinion and overs yu logic re: '94

[craxkull]

This is why me laugh. YOU talk about MEANINGFUL discussion and then ask who can challenge/dethrone Injection (when did they win the CROWN)........when you dont recognise LP as the NEW MONARCH of NEW YORK

Selecta G

Is ANY dancehall crown physical? Yu gwaan like say me lie when me say ah Injection rule England right ya now..... .. In yu feeble comedic attempt yu answer yu own foolish reasoning. Last few time injection and Saxon buck up...... Who say saxon when a rep fi england ah discuss? Bout monarch ...GO ask NY who ah di KING

[Selecta_G]

Is ANY dancehall crown physical? Yu gwaan like say me lie when me say ah Injection rule England right ya now..... .. In yu feeble comedic attempt yu answer yu own foolish reasoning. Last few time injection and Saxon buck up...... Who say saxon when a rep fi england ah discuss? Bout monarch ...GO ask NY who ah di KING

But only those connected with the Matrix know seh the King run once and get kill once by LP so caaayn blame the STREETS they dont know the FULL details but unno "CHOSEN ONES" around here living in DENIAL

Selecta G

[Chimino]

craxskull, G is correct...you shouldn't have even mentioned the UK, the sound thing is dead over that side.

[Do-Lo PoLo]

Everyone entitled to their opinion so me nar go fight it.....and thru the eyes of New Yorkers/Brooklynites yes I can see why the win was not a concrete one in their opinion....I mean to have their beloved sound finally getting things together and seemingly starting to roll will overshadow many things....so I get that....but this pales in comparison to the 94 situation....yes LP played back tunes and lost the first two rounds....but at the end of the night its not who avoided more errors....its who played better overall...and crowd saw it that LP did in the latter rounds.....and as far as kill....its a technical area with this clash....cause to me a simple win means most rounds won (including tune fi tune or not).......a kill is all rounds won (including tune fi tune or not)......a lock off is when the massive just don't want to hear nothing else from you period!....to me a lock off and a kill is on the same level....and with that I have to say that LP locked off Addies which is the same as a kill in my book....so regardless of the result of the other clash bredrin....LP Killed Addies and it will remain that way until the rematch!

^^This!!

on that note, Little Rock flopped do to certain tings..

Tek-9 is a sound that brooklyn people will always allow to play in any dance because their just missing one/two things but once they get it, Tek-9 is on fire again..

Blunt Posse...eh, their sound was build to play dubs BUT NOT to kill sounds.. i dont care what the whole of unoo wanna say... it is what it is.. Nexxt Level is the same way.. Respect to Amazin' & Genius..

but I'm ramblin', tho...

[ReggaeBoyz]

Great Topic: IMO

We are not out the dark ages yet because promoters are still keeping these 5+ soundclashes, WC is a prime example of playbacks still being played in excess,

WC to get back o what it used to be would involved Chin actually caring about SoundClash culure and by the look of RESET the button get stuck

Right now the business is building back the foundation but it has not settled and dried yet. We have some very promising clashes being kept his year so depending on their success we can then see if we are moving forward.

[Mrdweetnice]

I disagree with saying that Brooklyn Warzone is the best clash of the year so far. Death Before Dishonour 2012 inna Mobay was a better clash. Straight vibes from start til end. World Clash NY was weak in my opinion though.

[craxkull]

Seen...so with that said, do you think a/the WC title will regain its importance and 90's prestige?> or do you think its still a major deal fi win one?